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  • Mar. 10th, 2008 at 3:38 PM
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The Vatican released its updated list of deadly sins.  It's only been 1500 years since they have updated the list, so can understand how they can only come up with seven new ones.  Apparently banging altar boys is still okay.

Here's the new additions:

1. "Bioethical" violations such as birth control
2. "Morally dubious'' experiments such as stem cell research
3. Drug abuse
4. Polluting the environment
5. Contributing to widening divide between rich and poor
6. Excessive wealth
7. Creating poverty

Discuss, please.

Comments

[info]staceylynn42 wrote:
Mar. 10th, 2008 10:39 pm (UTC)
I thought birth control had always been right out. My mom had to get a dispensation from the priest when she went on the pill to treat her endometriosis in 1975.
[info]foxglovehp wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 10:15 pm (UTC)
I thought it was always on the books as well. It made sense when they were trying to "breed out" the pagans, but seems pretty irresponsible today.
[info]supergirlat40 wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 04:25 am (UTC)
Hmmm, I'm wondering if 5, 6, and 7 are related. In which case, it's just 5 deadly sins.
[info]foxglovehp wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 10:21 pm (UTC)
You know how people pad their word count for essays? Maybe they had a requirement for "Seven Deadly Sins" but could only come up with five. They only had 1500 years to work on it, after all.
[info]soldiergrrrl wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 12:57 pm (UTC)
What did you want to discuss?

I'd have to say that some of them make some sense, altough since I'm not Catholic, I can't comment much.
[info]foxglovehp wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 10:06 pm (UTC)
Aside from what I see as the silly concept of "sin" (drug abuse, for example eventually solves itself), I find it interesting that after 1500 years this is all they can come up with. As others have pointed out here too, 5-7 all seem to be talking about the same thing. Besides, it seems hilarious to me that the Catholic church, or almost any other Christian sect for that matter, should make "excessive wealth" a sin. What's that about glass houses?
[info]soldiergrrrl wrote:
Mar. 13th, 2008 06:35 pm (UTC)
I was zipping through the Catholic com lately, and found this, and I thought it addressed the topic better than I can:

Seven (New) Deadly Sins? Or Not?

As an example of how the media sometimes can get a story wrong, or at least confuse things unnecessarily, witness the story from the March 8 issue of L'Osservatore Romano, which included an entirely sensible interview with Bishop Gianfranco Girotto, an official at the Apostolic Penitentiary, on the subject of social sin. Contrasting an older understanding of sin as more individualistic in nature, Bishop Girotto noted that sin "today...has an impact and resonance that is above all social, because of the great phenomenon of globalization." He pointed to a number of "social sins" (by now a familiar term to Catholics accustomed to hearing it applied to racism, sexism and anti-Semitism). Among those he mentioned were economic injustice, environmental irresponsibility, accumulation of excessive wealth and genetic experimentation with unforeseen consequences.

The media's reporting, however, transmogrified this into something different. "Seven New Deadly Sins," wrote the Times Online, mistaking the main point of the interview, which was that these new social sins were in fact different in nature for those more individualist "deadly sins," which focused more on regulating a variety of human passions. "Vatican Lists New Sinful Behavior," wrote the Associated Press, as if accumulating excessive wealth hadn't been already condemned by the church for centuries, and, before that by--well, Jesus for one.

The Vatican's intent seemed to be less about adding to the traditional "deadly" sins (lust, anger, sloth, pride, avarice, gluttony, envy) than reminding the world that sin has a social dimension, and that participation in institutions that themselves sin is an important point upon which believers needed to reflect.

In other words, if you work for a company that pollutes the environment, you have something more important to consider for Lent than whether or not to give up chocolate.

James Martin, SJ
[info]foxglovehp wrote:
Mar. 13th, 2008 06:54 pm (UTC)
So...

They are not "deadly" sins (whatever that means)?

I stand corrected.

So what was the point of all the hoopla from the Vatican then?
[info]soldiergrrrl wrote:
Mar. 13th, 2008 07:01 pm (UTC)
If they don't talk about sins that are more social, they get lambasted for ignoring the greater society, and the ills of the -isms. So, they decided, as far as I can tell, to give Catholics some guidance "from higher headquarters" on what other sins Catholics might want to look at in their lives.

I think.
[info]b_anderson wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 06:11 pm (UTC)
I take it they took 5-7 from personal experience?
[info]staceylynn42 wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 06:55 pm (UTC)
Possibly banging altar boys would fall under 'morally dubious' experiments.

And what do they mean by excessive wealth? Who defines excess and against what standard?
[info]foxglovehp wrote:
Mar. 11th, 2008 10:09 pm (UTC)
Like the Catholic church has any room to talk about wealth. Maybe they are setting the bar really high.